From this i asked ai

What you wrote is not an exact quote from Socrates, which is why it’s hard to find a specific book and page. It’s actually a modern paraphrase or summary of ideas found in the works of Plato, especially in The Republic.
Where the idea actually comes from
The criticism of democracy that sounds like what you paraphrased mainly appears in:
• The Republic — Book VI and Book VIII
In these sections Socrates argues that:
• Democracy allows everyone to rule regardless of knowledge or expertise.
• The public is easily persuaded by rhetoric and spectacle instead of reason.
• Skilled leadership is like a ship needing a trained navigator, not passengers voting on how to sail.
This is often called the “Ship of State” analogy.
Example passage (closest real idea)
In Book VI (~488a–489d) of The Republic, Socrates says that running a state is like running a ship:
If the sailors argue over who should steer the ship, even though none of them know navigation, they will ignore the true navigator and fight for power.
The point: the knowledgeable should guide decisions, not the loudest or most popular voices.
Why your quote looks familiar
Modern articles and videos often summarize Socrates’ criticism like this:
Democracy puts the educated and the uneducated on the same level, so persuasion and spectacle can defeat reason.
But that wording does not exist verbatim in the ancient text.
If you want the exact place to look
Check:
• **The Republic
◦ Book VI – “Ship of State” analogy (around 488a–489d)
◦ Book VIII – critique of democracy turning into tyranny

✅ Short answer:
• The idea comes from Plato’s Republic.
• Look in Book VI (Ship of State) and Book VIII (critique of democracy).
• The wording you gave is a modern paraphrase, not an original line.

If the taxman, the government, the one with the monopoly on violence wants peoples money, and people decide to only give that what is realistic or something like that.. What do i want to say..? Can we ignore them? Them will come harass you .. or maybe we can find merchant that want to figure out how to work out #LN.. But will they?
The Man wants to tax you etc.. What if they make their own layer two
? Somehow make the bigger merchants or whoever wants to use it be able to sell stuff in btc, but one needs to use their layer two #lightning... The fees are the tax. More they're not getting! and else we opt out to the more rigid roads of LN. They could expand to salary payment LN.. But of course plebs can choose their own ways.. Just that if the state want to get your money, the real kind with a capital B. Well. Just thinking out on the note.. for the state want to tax you and tax you more.. But this b keeps them in place to be more real.. Will it?
Engagement has been slow here, so i am probably chatting into the void.

What you think?
The state makes their own #layertwo channels if they want to get any tax at all, colleting it with the fees charged to use their channels.

What it all about?

blue dots ramblings into no dots shamblings.. Oh yes, dear foolish dope a mean roller, high times mean low rhymes.

Not sure if being with so much followers get you seeing all post, so i am reposting my reply on your online quarrel. It think it's important you both engage in a talk so i can figure out what node to run when i get me one of the things.
@Matthew Kratter @ODELL

I listened out of curiousness to both you Matt & Matthew's recent video on this topic. Now i see this over an hour long talk and i really just don't want to bother if the other won't engage. So before i go into the Kratter reaction video I would like to see a reply from you Matt so i don't wast to much time online following others fight about stuff i don't understand in code.
Keep it real, respect and stay mates Matt(hew) ;)