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This is interesting. We had a takedown request for a post on our njump. We do not host the content, it is pulled from relays using the note id, so it's a bit like blaming a browser for the content after you enter a URL. Any nostr legal council out there?

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SatsAndSports · 11w
Not sure if legally relevant, but I'm curious: What exactly does njump do? Is there browser-side code that queries the relays directly? Or do the njump servers query the relays and then forward the response to the browser?
dangershony · 11w
The power of decentralisation!!!! Your answer should be. "Dear sir even if I really really really wanted I can't remove this content "
Big Barry Bitcoin · 11w
I guess you're gonna have to put a blocklist on the site and put a "this mofo with a sensitive soul threatened me so I had to hide the content" disclaimer.
Peter Yared · 11w
Can a German court order removal of content from a foreign server that is not operating a business in Germany? Never before, but this type of thing is in litigation right now between the UK Ofcom regulator and 4chan in the US.
PlebInstitute · 11w
It’s about the son of a former german finance minister. Not one single hit if you search the “German” internet 🤪
The_Crin · 11w
pass me the event to republish it in my relay👀
Scoundrel · 11w
It's a bit like someone criticizing you for embedding nasty posts in your website. Yes, technically someone else is hosting it, but to the average user it looks identical to if you were hosting it yourself.
Aaro · 11w
https://blossom2.syb.lol/fdd3523c7f42a2755e720db373b3a0b1375857af2f5cf15350832a260b7cfe49.html
steepdawn974 · 11w
Ben, this sucks but it is not as much a legal home run as you may think. There is a thing called "Störerhaftung" which means even entities who simply relay/spread "unlawful information" (aggregators, search engines etc) can made to take the site off their index. To what extemd this applies here, I ...
mike · 11w
Not his territory, but nostr:npub1v7k63c6y2vktlqhsuupywt3yc7ykursujc34at964f9cv9s9y9csjutfk0
Jeroen Ubbink · 11w
Sounds very similar to what bitcoin trackers go through. They don't host the data but they facilitate the links to it. It's not 100% the same but very similar.
NostrErrorLog · 11w
If only there were someone experienced that could help you navigate this...
Sjors · 11w
Just block all of Germany on that domain and link to the relevant court ruling?
⚡₿it₿y₿it⚡ · 11w
I need to talk to the Nostr manager nostr:nprofile1qqsr7acdvhf6we9fch94qwhpy0nza36e3tgrtkpku25ppuu80f69kfqppemhxue69uhkummn9ekx7mp0qyghwumn8ghj7mn0wd68ytnhd9hx2tcpzemhxue69uhkummnw3ex2mrfw3jhxtn0wfnj76p2szn
Moist · 11w
I'm not an expert on German law, but I do deal with cross border contracts and disputes. depends on where you are, your website is hosted, etc. but if you're outside Germany then who gives a fuck what some Munich court ruled? they have no jurisdiction beyond German borders. although I think there is...
daniele · 11w
It happened several times to njump.me, but for CASM content. I usually briefly explained that njump is just a viewer for something hosted elsewhere, and then blocked the content. It's easy to understand that for media, but your case is different both for the nature of the content. and because it see...
Asdf · 11w
So Germany wants to censor posts. I would just ignore it and continue with life.
Mr Nasdaq · 10w
A court trying to remove a Nostr note through a viewer is like trying to censor the internet by suing Firefox. The fact that this is even being attempted explains why decentralized social media matters. Nobody worries much about inconvenient information until it starts affecting the politically conn...