I don't like that if I'm participating in two groups from two different relays I have to manually switch between the relays all the time, then find the group etc. I know it's early days, but did you consider a Discord-like interface in which multiple relays would be shown at the side-menu, then in a secondary side-menu there would be my groups (from my kind:10009 list or whatever the number is) and all the other groups in that same relay would be hidden by default?

Maybe the idea is bad, but at the same time it can be much better for introducing people to Nostr than inviting open-minded people to a cesspool of bot spam where they will find no content they're interested in or anyone they know.

On Nostr, any idea that doesn't take into account what relays are going to be used for publishing and reading is going to have incentives all misaligned and is bound to fail.

You can definitely delete stuff. It doesn't work really when clients decide to broadcast your content to dozens of hardcoded relays, but in a setting where you're publishing only to one or a few handpicked relays as in the scenarios I described deletion would work perfectly.

The "you can't delete" stuff is more a legacy thing from 3 years ago when everybody was committing all kinds of sins when making clients. We're not perfect yet, but much better.

Many clients already have a button to delete, others should implement that as soon as possible.

Do you hate me again? Because of Asciidoc? I thought we had a truce.

I'm not anywhere near nazist, but there are some nazis on Nostr, which is somewhat ugly, which is fine by me as long as they don't do evil stuff (communists are much worse but Nostr is also a place for them). Luckily I have just suggested ways people can isolate themselves from them (and also from you) if they want.

By the way, @Laeserin, I don't know of any client that does exactly what I said that is ready to be launched next week. I'm genuinely just throwing the ideas out there and hoping others will build on them.

By the way, this is all about having a very loose type of "community" in kind 1 clients that is easy to set up and can be expanded gradually.

For strictly closed and moderated, traditional Telegram-style chat and forum-like "communities" (or "groups") the solution is still raw NIP-29 (or the single-selfhosted-relay multi-room Flotilla approach).

Take a look at https://github.com/Nostrord/nostrord and https://grimoire.rocks/.

I gave just an example above, but we can think of many variations on the same theme.

Such a community could have more than one relay, because just one might be giving too much authority to a single person running it, or for other reasons.

Or it could be open to external integration by allowing the rest of the world to read their stuff -- or even reply to their stuff (if all community members are set to use #pyramid's /inbox relay, for example) while still providing spam and harassment protection.

Having a canonical set of follows encoded in the invite isn't bad either, could be part of the community onboarding that some special news channel is auto-followed by everybody and that goes in the "following" feed while the rest of the community banter stays in a relay, or whatever variations of that you can think about.

It goes without saying that people who get introduced to Nostr like that can still find about the rest of Nostr if they want, start following other people, find other relays and gradually open itself to interacting elsewhere.