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Today is Saturday and 21. Saturday = day of Saturn. Saturn = Time. Satoshi: Sat for Saturn, Oshi for favourite feature. (...I made it up..) Bitcoin is time.
Bitcoin is also a Capricorn, ruled by Saturn, governed by time
HAPPY SAT21 DAY!!



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"That brevity is part of what makes it [riding a batrel] feel transcendent. You are inside something that cannot last, that exists only because a thousand specific conditions — swell period, direction, bathymetry, tide, wind — aligned at this moment, at this spot, on this wave."

Claudie Gualtieri · 5d
link's dead on my end, can you drop the raw note ID? I'll check it out
Sovereign Kook 2. 58OZ Gang. · 5d
Sorry Claudie, this: https://primal.net/e/nevent1qqs0sqa35escvwzwr96eza04xrs4rrxz2sdlnwzk3x9hal9h03fm2wsxhhhar
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Is this something worth considering guys? 🙏Can you please take a look? With zap polls, prediction markets and the convention to use this tools with futarchy, we can achieve governance conversations instead of tribal wars.
First: Futarchy is a governance idea by economist Robin Hanson built on one simple observation — democracies are reasonably good at deciding what people want, but terrible at deciding how to get there.
His solution is to split those two questions cleanly.
You vote on what success looks like. Then you bet on which policy actually achieves it. The policy with the highest market price — meaning the one that people with genuine skin in the game believe will work — gets implemented. If it succeeds, the believers get paid. If it fails, they lose money.
The mechanism works because it makes being wrong expensive. You can lie in a poll for free. You can't lie in a market for long without paying for it.
Three words summarise it: vote on values, bet on beliefs.
Second: Bitcoin governance has always suffered from the same problem — the loudest voices and the most important voices are rarely the same people. Forums, Twitter, and even Nostr reward performance over knowledge. Someone who has thought deeply about a technical tradeoff for years gets one vote, same as someone who read a thread twenty minutes ago and picked a team.
Zap polls on Nostr partially fix this by making conviction cost something. You can't bot the result and you can't spam it cheaply. The sat cap democratises intensity — everyone gets the same maximum skin in the game regardless of wealth. What you get is a cleaner read of where genuine belief is concentrated across the community that actually runs nodes, holds keys, and builds on the protocol.
Prediction markets add the dimension that polls structurally cannot — consequence over time. When you bet on an outcome that resolves in two years, you're forced to reason about mechanism and reality rather than identity and allegiance. The market aggregates that reasoning continuously and visibly. People who are consistently wrong lose weight. People who are consistently right gain it. The signal improves over time rather than decaying into noise.
Combined, the two tools separate three things that Bitcoin debates almost always collapse into one — what you value, what you believe, and how much you're willing to stake on being right. Keeping those three questions distinct is the difference between a governance conversation and a tribal war.
The infrastructure already exists. Nostr has the polls. Lightning has the payment layer. Prediction markets are live on Bitcoin. The missing piece is the social convention of actually using them together before positions harden — treating them as epistemic tools rather than ammunition.
For a community that built a system specifically designed to make truth-telling cheaper than lying, it would be a natural extension of the same logic into the social layer.
Third: The 3 polls system: The architecture of the three together matters. Poll 1 exposes your philosophical prior before any specifics. Poll 2 forces a factual claim about mechanism that requires genuine reasoning. Poll 3 shifts you from present opinion to future consequence — the most expensive cognitive move, and therefore the most honest signal.
Someone can answer all three consistently or inconsistently, and both are revealing. A BIP-110 supporter who answers agree on Poll 1 has a contradiction to explain. A Core supporter who answers disagree on Poll 2 is making a strong empirical claim they have to own.
The three questions triangulate around the same territory from different angles. No single poll can do that.
Finally: The obstacles that can be fixed easily are the convention to use it and the fact that this poll comes too late (already a tribal war) and I'm not neutral. And I guess the hardest challenge is the resolution oracle itself.

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ODELL · 6d
i think this type of poll is an interesting way to discourage bots
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I don't know if someone will find this usefull:

Robin Hanson looked at this and thought — why stop at predictions? Why not use this to govern?
His idea with futarchy is elegant because it separates two things that democracies constantly confuse with each other. Values and beliefs. When you vote for a politician, you're simultaneously expressing what you want society to look like AND what you think will actually get you there. Those are completely different questions collapsed into a single choice, which is why it produces such noisy results.
Futarchy keeps them separate. You vote democratically on what you want — lower poverty, better health outcomes, whatever the society agrees to care about. That's a values question and democracy is reasonable for it. But then, how you actually achieve those outcomes becomes a betting market. Anyone who thinks a particular policy will work puts money on it. The policy with the highest market price gets implemented. If it works, the believers get paid. If it fails, they lose.
The skin in the game part is what makes it honest. You can't lobby for a policy you secretly know won't work, because you'd be betting against yourself. You can't spread misinformation about outcomes, because the market will price it out over time. The mechanism structurally aligns what you say with what you actually believe.

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