Anyway that was a lot of text. To actually understand your point of view of the problem a little, it would be good to get your thoughts on a scenario. Don't take any of it to be representative of women or men, it's just a way of exploring something concrete. If you have a better example of a scenario then it would be great to hear it.

Say a wife wants to go out at night alone and her husband says "no" because he thinks it's unsafe, how do you think she should respond?

I wouldn't be surprised at men, especially young men, responding that way nowadays. The red pill community seems to me like a reaction to feeling demonized and they've overshot it by quite a bit. One of the common complaints I've heard about feminists is that the extreme cases start talking as if there's no difference between men and women at all. The red pill community took it so far the other way that they start demanding equal rights to women in a similar fashion, sometimes even responding to any expression of difficulties that women face with "men have problems, too". Examples like these make me feel like horseshoe theory might be a real thing; we all know too that, in a sense, harboured resentment ends up causing one to become what one resents. Anyway, I feel like that sort of thoughtless dismissal is way too common online bit, while it does likely show that a proportion of men are off-the-market as potential husbands and fathers - I.e. seems like an expression of "nothing worth protecting" - it shouldn't really effect the willingness to be a protector of those men who really love someone and/or their family. These red pill types seem like they are trying to reframe avoidance and giving up as some kind of positive version of "we don't need women"; again the horseshoe theory rears its head as they sound just like feminists saying "we don't need men". The hard thing is though that while these red pill types are wrong in that prescribed solution of avoiding woman, they have made reasonable observations about men who have decided to have a wife and a family, noting that it has become almost impossible to actually be the protector that women say that they want, largely because of what women have actually changed in politics and law.

You professional actor?

It's hard to know why in your experience men shut down in these conversations without understanding more about the conversations. Please, share if you feel like it.

But I just noticed that you say that the term feminist shouldn't be used, so I'm a bit confused about what you mean. I don't think you're saying that feminism cannot be defined. Nor do I think you're saying that it's so politicized that its ideas should be abandoned.

I think that anyone that is intellectually honest knows what feminism is. But nowadays it's so hard to find ways of having any honest and open conversation online. Which is pretty much why I'm interested in decentralized social media, as my last hope.

I feel like that's a really low baseline. That definition calls loads of people feminists whom Rebecca West would most definitely disagree with on most policies.

I probably would just find a kebab place this late. I make sure to only eat lamb shish kebab if it's the first time trying a place. If they don't have that then I skip.

I think this place is open till 3

Capital Kebab House, 63 The Cut, SE1 8LL

What area?

100%. There's no way it wasn't vibed just for the video with that calendar at 00:12

I sometimes wish I knew more history. Perhaps there actually is precedent for this. The hard part is that the control is usually mainly psychological, so it could be a really close call either way.

I like the optimism. Successful control and manipulation of the governed seems to be the historical constant, though. But then, there's never been a time where knowledge is so widespread through populations, so it's also uncharted territory. If there ever was a time to be optimistic it would be now.

Hey, I just sent you an email with my resume.