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What if we had a relay where new people could manually submit content to and pay a "curation fee", then some smart humans would pocket the fee and manually vet each submission and only allow in those that were deemed high-signal?

Would you browse that relay in order to discover new high-signal content and new people to follow?

Would you put it in your default relay feeds list or somewhere like that? @Cody @utxo the webmaster 🧑‍💻 @Vitor Pamplona @Fabian @YakiHonne

Please let me know if you have a better idea.

Martin Lowe @Martin · 20w

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I’m back from a hiatus, and trying to use nostr for publishing articles. I have no idea what to do for engagement though. Totally out of the loop, so I don’t even know if people CAN see my stuff, let alone how to make it pop up in people’s timelines. For all I know, I’ Show more

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REDKAZ⚡️| YakiHonne · 20w

Nostr Gang · 20w

I would review submissions

New people paying to post? I don’t think that’s happening in this universe 🤣

Sounds like Blue Sky

I think it’s a really interesting idea, but the cold start might be tough. Creators would be paying for exposure, which usually means they’re not already influential, and that only works if the relay already has a large, active audience.

Nope. Never needed an algo or anyone to recommend me high signal content in my entire life. If someone is interested in something, they just need to search for the term. Then read a few post, check a few profiles and do a few follows. There is no need in life to be bombarded with "new to you" cont...

deleted account · 20w

Build it and they will come.

Râu Cao ⚡ · 20w

Wouldn't it make more sense if the authors used PoW and the fee would be paid by the consumers? Then it's a win-win-win: authors get exposure, relay earns sats, readers get quality content.

I would browse it occasionally to find new people

Not sure about asking new people to pay I’d prefer a list of curators and then show a feed of everything they somehow tagged, then periodically pay the curators for doing a good job

Shllomo N · 20w

Curadoria humana é algo importante. Não foi assim que mataram a internet com a IA? Treinando elas com conteúdo humano? Eu navegaria e priorizaria relays assim, desde que: 1 - Pudesse ignorar no cliente 2 - Que a curadoria não significasse moderação incondicional.

RamenCoffee · 20w

No i have no ez way to browse per relay

Josua Schmid · 20w

curation ideas could involve budgets on client side: - spatial distance between npubs. Scream louder to reach people further away (or get relayed via ref) - npubs posting often are less visible, low signal, one post per year and it has high signal

If there’s a large audience, someone will pay; and there’s a large audience if the content is interesting. It’s the usual chicken and egg dilemma. But the idea is interesting, I like it, and I think it could take off successfully thanks to some kind of free plan (for content submission). It wo...

Brunswick · 20w

It would be more ideological vetting than signal.

Pana - The Network State of Refuge · 20w

Sounds about centralized. Isn't this exactly how middlemen centralized services that harvest. Also, who decides who the "smart" human is?! 😆

Josua Schmid · 20w

I think the assumption is wrong here: I‘m not after content. Is anybody? I follow people. These people I trust send me stuff, then I read it. Maybe I even start a conversation. And maybe what I read was from someone else. Then I consider following them. If it‘s really about the content, then I ...

Technical Debt · 20w

I like the idea of human curation but I don’t think we should keep emphasizing (the idea of) relays. Decentralization is the biggest strength nostr has, if we keep centralizing ourselves around a few relays then we’re not much different than Mastodon.

Matt Lorentz · 20w

Interesting idea to make the new people pay. I like it because readers are never going to pay much for curation. High signal is so subjective though.

pay-to-post works only if you can guarantee exposure. If exposure leads to right people who would zap more that it costs to post, that's a good business

Karadenizli · 20w

It would not help most of the newcomers complaining about engagement though, because most of them would be indifferentiable from an LLM output. The age of fully online discoverability is over for all but the most talented accounts (across any medium; short form, long articles, podcasts, videos etc...

Derek Ross · 20w

this sounds great, but it won't work because new users don't have lightning wallets or bitcoin or even understand these things. now perhaps if the relay accepts fiat payments in addition to lightning payments, it could work, but i am also skeptical because new users just don't understand value or va...

utxo the webmaster 🧑‍💻 · 20w

I am not opposed to people trying such a scheme, but don't think this is a good way for user discovery. There's more work clients can do to guide users into getting follows and engagement. I think of we take Instagram and Twitter as examples you can't just post to a timeline there and get engageme...

curt finch · 20w

high signal content. hmmm. that human judgement thing. could lead to censorship. hard problem

Does/can pyramid's /moderated reject replies? We could rename it to /spotlight and use that immediately at the community level for membership vetting & broader discovery since there is more than 1 PoW capable client now. Then maybe we could move into something similar to what you built with the cre...

That's straightforward censorship.